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Macey Hernandez's avatar

I'm going to share this with my mom. We struggle to discuss religion because she belongs to a dispensationalist evangelical church and I walked away from that 4 years ago. I'm hoping it leads to some conversation if nothing else.

However, the one example of a person coming to faith and not being baptized is the thief on the cross. Because that is one of the main reasons that I was given growing up for why baptism isn't necessary to get to heaven and "is only a public declaration". As an adult I've tried to point out extenuating circumstances (he literally couldn't) and that it was Jesus who said he would be in paradise. As well as the fact Jesus was baptized and sent disciples to baptize, the story of the eunich etc etc etc but the main sticking point is thief on the cross, that one situation seems to outweigh all the others in that particular sect of evangelicalism.

Catherine Jones Payne's avatar

Love this—and especially that you’re banging the drum about the resurrection of the body and the restoration of creation.

I’m less sure about the statement that we can date this all the way back to Paul’s time. 1 Corinthians 15 and a few other passages may allude to a form of what might be called proto-Gnosticism, although even that is controversial.

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